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whilst driving. time no for the second in a series of reports on the fate of russian families who left for syria to fight for islamic state parties medina called jennifer travel to sudden russia to talk to a woman convicted to eight years in prison on terrorism charges after she followed her husband to syria. the clock is ticking on zagat uts current life sentenced to eight years behind bars for being part of an illegal armed group she won't actually go to jail until her youngest child turns fourteen and she's only one right now less than twelve months ago her life was old very different i was twenty nine when i left i went to turkey first with my husband i never thought i would end up there. within seven months as i did that was living in syria and pregnant with her child she says her husband had
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been drawn to islam and a better life. he told me it was safe to go there he said it wasn't how it was being shown that was snowball me he said no war but the reality turned out to be fall morris than anything on t.v. they lived for two years in the city of topic which at the times was under eisel control than they moved to rocca and she spent every day living in. sin even my girl knew she was only eighteen years old but she could tell the difference what was coming and american her kids explain a fighter jet drone she could tell by the sound of it. what are they hiding yes well they either went downstairs or just simply stayed at home i took them out into the hole and we laid on the floor so that any shrapnel wouldn't hit us zagat had struggles to share her story she tries to stay emotionally distant from the past
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speaks quietly rabbinate looking into the camera she says she wanted to return home right from the start i told my husband that i want to go back but i couldn't live but the moment i started talking about it we had fights he told me if you want to leave leave but i will not let you take the kids away. i knew he was able to do that he had that sort of character and i was afraid later on when they were living and rock her husband was killed in a drone strike leavings and he died all alone with three children i started looking for ways to get out but it's not that easy you can't just leave that place it all has to be done in secret there are people that can sell you out trick i only talk to those who i knew well and one day i was told that there was this wrote that there was a way out. that claims she had no way dia the life she was leading would leave her on the wrong side of russia's anti terror laws. i stayed at home all the time i had
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my children i had no time for anything else i was at home taking care of my kids. she was one of the seven women and fourteen children brought back to russia in the autumn twenty seventeen as part of a companion organized by chechen officials to repaginate the families of men who went to fight with islam ik terrorists. i am very grateful to everyone who helped launch this campaign to save many women and children. but while they were lucky to escape from the war in syria upon arrival in grozny she was detained by police three months later she was convicted and sentenced for being part of an illegal armed group. and while the law she broke is designed to help thwarted terror attacks some people argue that family members of radicalized individuals should not be targeted. these people need rehabilitation they need to be close to their
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family members under the care of their mothers they're under huge dress and prison will not help them it will only meet the more harsh i believe it's wrong to put them behind bars for now as i get at leaves with her mother in dagestan she has to report. to the police every month and can't leave the region it's difficult for both her and her brother to find work as they're on the official police list it means they all have to get by on their mother a small salary as a post office worker despite all this they get at sas she is just happy to see her children safe little girl i was literally suffering there because i was unable to provide food for my children he told me constantly mom we are hungry they were. and now he says that country let's go to the merry go round let's go to the seaside now we go after you where dumb to now we go everywhere. mommy is hard and so my lovely
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who say fuck. it was you. a question or r.t. dagestan. well with the question of how to treat so-called deisel wife proving to be so divisive we debated the issue with our guests. shouldn't be allowed to return home they have left the safety of this country and gone to fight with. whatever you want to call them should not be allowed back into this country what are they going to do in the compaq area you know we've got enough people in our prisons now radicalized in our yoav if you brick a law especially criminal laws in england. and you break it somewhere you can actually charge but that charge has actually to stand in court they're not responsible for their actions their husbands or their or their kids or their son in the book. as
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a terrorist this is not their responsibility they're made that decision now to say that they went out there didn't know what they were going out there told didn't know what the husband was door and there is ridiculous there was radicalized they've gone out there if the culture that they're in at the moment has a death sentence so be it that shock to them but we cannot just charge anyone because we look we think she what he was she was a wife she knew about everything she could not make a decision some of them the worst soldiers some of the were recruited yes we agree on this but let's differentiate between an instant and being who has been a terrorist and who's been a criminal this is very critical because we want to go to the cycle of violence. as our as asian women have on this there and now you know watch them make their own decisions on life please tell me what they said so their wives where there was going what you went out shopping what you were not a holiday there much a child i mean i judge you know where i am or should not exactly what was going on . i give an example he tells his wife we go into
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a trip to turkey ok this is where you this times we're going to a trip holiday to turkey to south of turkey in turkey you're stuck we're going to syria why because this is what islam is asking us to this is what we have to fight you are my wife you have to listen to me if not i would divorce you and you have no papers how are you going to turn back home if you take your wife to rock. places like this and you tell us take you passport away from you how are you going to turn home so my wife or i don't. know how to do that brain and i would not allow that they're made that decision now just says they went out there didn't know what they were going out that show didn't know what the husband was door and there is absolutely ridiculous there was radicalized they've gone out that if the culture that they're in the moment has a death sentence so be it that's up to them they have made that decision they've gone out there we do not want these people back here when our series looking at the fallout of russian families going to fight in syria just continue on friday with
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a look at people still trying to locate friends and relatives who pledged allegiance to weisel meanwhile in case you missed on monday our story of two russian sisters found in an orphanage in iraq it is now available on i you cheap chant. seems wrong. just don't. get to see palo. alto. and it. equals betrayal.
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when some find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. you should. put themselves on a lot. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or some want to. have to go right to be this is what the three of them will be good. interesting. question.
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welcome back here with r.t. now it has been ten years since the war between russia and georgia broke out after george are attacked the a tone of this region of south assessed here back in two thousand and eight the russian army intervened in after five days of full scale conflict and fourteen hundred civilians killed a cease fire agreement was reached and in fact russian troops to remain in the region to this day acting as peacekeepers however the us does see it as an occupation our position on the russian occupied georgia region. and also south ossetia is unwavering that remains unwavering today the regions are part of georgia they are not part of russia and the united states continues to support josh georgia's sovereignty its independence and also its territorial integrity despite western politicians putting blame on russia for the two thousand and eight assessing a war the use of fact finding mission did establish that georgia was the one who initiated the conflict but it also found that both sides violated international law
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in a new documentary recall the most tragic moments of the conflict here's a quick preview and you can watch it in full later today. i'm not trying. to. soften the. you've got to this the past. is not so. natural so you go. you know you're solution this puts her little sister this is. the she should all of. them.
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at double the last. do you believe question would she should. eat to. be able to get in order to feel well this is a good thing you know i'm going to. look at all that i'm going to. hear the mainstream media they reported that rush started the conflict and said nothing about soccer surely opening fire on the night of the beginning of the olympics in beijing a couple years after the war i believe that eventually other countries would learn to recognize that georgia was at fault in this war especially after the european commission came out and said that georgia started the war and i was very disappointed that they didn't well shortly after the conflict broke out the western
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media was quick to jump to conclusions. georgia's president says russia is attacking his country dropping bombs and moving tanks into georgian territory russia's attacks keep coming to surprise georgia saying it's withdraw from self a city or the georgians can do nothing. moscow's actions illustrate its contempt for the condemnation and criticism. i want you to know who to blame. and he's conflict that said mr saakashvili who started this morning and mr saakashvili who is a governor so and the cells and people who are peeled you know one day i guess what i am against i would never tell you that unfortunately a commercial break will take us there in four seconds whether we do i don't know where you're almost i want to hear step. is situated
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some twenty minutes drive from solve a city and the russian troops the. only southern city that i'm not crossing i mean history to border. that damned if you do damned if you don't that is the predicament of european companies trading with iran because they are caught in the crossfire at the moment of a war between brussels i'm washing to nova new us sanctions targeting to run with punishment awaiting companies whether they comply or not. if you companies abide by u.s. secondly sanctions they will in turn be sanctioned by the european union iran sanctions have officially been cast these are the most biting sanctions ever imposed and in november they ratchet up to yet another level anyone doing business with iran will not be doing business with the united states i'm asking for world peace nothing less well the u.s.
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government has reimposed sanctions on iran after pulling out of an international nuclear deal the first round of sanctions restricts to iran's trade in u.s. dollars and also precious metals and it also punishes to countries that use the uranium reale when trading with iran financial analysts should be as if he says that the new sanctions posed dilemma for major corporations. the situation that's developing is that on the one hand companies would be penalized by usa for doing business in iran and at the same time if they're follow their diktats from washington the potential of those companies being penalized in the european union so it puts these companies in a very difficult situation but this i think is only applicable to the very large multinational corporation is that have exposure to different regions perhaps the as amy sector the slump is a small to medium enterprises that are operating in the european union they may
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want to do trade with iran and because they have no exposure possibly with their u.s. market therefore they'd be able to stand up and continue doing business with iran and it's just coming up to thirty here in moscow that's how the news is looking so far today we're back again with more at the top of the hour. america was never great was founded on the rape and murder. nothing changed so we said oh response to these situations that we're dealing with.
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people get shot every day she is just sad people kill each other blood for killing children. there was just no way that people are going to just sit back and allow children to be shot down by law enforcement. this country doesn't work for us it doesn't function for us. this is can't be happening in america we call from the streets we've got to deal with why this is the reason i have to ride like this is the reason. when the let me just manufacture come sentenced to public will. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the financial merry go round if suddenly the one percent of. the time
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we can all middle of the room see. the real news is really. going to. greetings and salutations love him or hate him online talk show host alex jones and as in full wars brand is currently sitting at the epicenter of a first amendment hurricane this week that when all said and done could actually forever change the very nature of free speech inside the united states of america not only is jones facing
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a civil lawsuit brought against him and his advertisers by some of the families of the sandy hook shooting over claims and innuendos of hoaxes and crisis actors but on monday this week social media and tech giant space book apple and u two pulled the plug on the alex jones show the new york times reports that base book removed four pages belonging to mr jones including one with nearly one point seven million followers you too terminated mr jones channel which had more than two point four million subscribers and billions of views on its videos repeatedly violated its policies including its prohibition on hate speech jones responded with his usual flair for the dramatic declaring on twitter understand this the censorship of info wars just vindicates everything we've been saying now who will stand against tyranny and who will stand for free speech we're all alex jones now but it's the lawsuit that according to wired could actually have a bigger influence in the future of free speech wire reports that whether jones
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wins or loses his suit according to first amendment lawyers will be built we will be a building block for the way we think of free speech in the age of the internet you see not only is this case about alex jones and free speech but it's also a case that could redefine just who and who is not considered a public figure and subject to libel in the age of instagram the selfie and the youtube channel so with free with the future of free speech. the lie torn between the wild rantings about looks jones and corporate media's desire to sanitize you know it's time to start watching the hawks. you. want to. get the. real thing. as you get to the bottom if you. like you know that i got. the.
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goods because i. well don't want to watch the hawks i am a robot turd and i'm top of the law list and i just saw the two pictures behind me and i i actually saw her bergen ellis' rolls i'm saying. so this is fascinating actually what's going on what he's whirling around my old buddy alex like i work with alex a long time ago on the conspiracy theory i have on the show a long while back and all of that says i'm on a show but i didn't meet up once and. you know this is one of those kind of things where yeah you knew the two like you knew the two friends were going to collide it so yeah it wasn't any of this is inevitable it was or have it all when you have someone who is that purposely controversial and pushes the button. and then what's interesting is when you when you look at this. like wired kind of pointed out brilliantly is that they're saying that yes the facebook the you tube that's an
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issue you know that's one issue every speech that should be looked at but the other thing is that is there's libel court this court case of these involved with the families of the sandy hook yeah because here's we're liable it's really interesting in the supreme court case new york times versus old when the court basically gave status to public officials and figures they give them special status because they're said that the. the nation against them has to include actual malice behind it and giving knowingly false statements and reckless disregard for the truth they did that to set the bar really high so you know politician so people could have three speech they could criticize politicians they could criticize public figures and not have to worry about getting sued for it if they're giving their opinion right you know so that's why they set the bar so high what's interesting though about the with the jones case and this is the you know not only is there basically this will decide if in the internet era because something happens to you and then
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let's say you like with the families then let's say they're speaking out on gun rights online or something like that are they now public figures because what what you know that's the whole essence of the cases like you know they're suing jones jones as far as saying well wait. they're public figures i'm just speaking my opinion i'm doing all this like they can't be suing me for this because it's all kind of wrapped up in the free speech. yeah i think howard stern's needs to take some quiet time and go over and have free speech and a lot of things i mean first of all i don't even know what to think about alex jones i mean more because first he spent years and years being this crusader of the truth and then the many he gets into a heated divorce battle suddenly it's it's all just announced it's all just entertainment i'm not this guy who would be bad guy it's all for quotes but now we're supposed to believe that all of i'm supposed to care that he got kicked out
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of a corporation's platform a platform that has way more problems or free speech before you ever went off the bat he was on there to make a buck he was on twitter to make a buck he was on you tube to make a buck if you really believed in the things he was talking about he wanted to ban on those platforms they stand for everything he says he's against what's interesting is high. it's interesting points but what's also interesting. but what's also interesting about this is if you take the idea of alex jones out of the equation and just look at what's happening with all of this there is some major free speech issues i think look there right private industry has the right to do whatever they want on their platforms that's correct when you sign up to do but what i would say i'm curious is like in this age of the internet in this age of like you know rampant bre speech for everyone that is the internet's wild west you know. what really strikes me about this is do we need to redefine free speech to go
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beyond just government like you know should govern you know government cannot censor speech right and no no government is censoring his speech right but what i'm saying is should we should we look at and say does free speech carry over to the private industry as well. oh. i was a no i don't i don't i don't think it does i think you have to have that difference you can't you can't sit and say that the government because then great idea the government will then be in charge of regulating how all the private industry is take care of whether they're censoring people or not so who decides whether facebook is actually censoring somebody so not the government's going to decide what's free speech and what you're not point interesting that makes me nervous i'm not a fan that's very interesting. were you who hears talking about one year ago this week on the unite the right rally in
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charlottesville virginia brought white supremacists white nationalists and their fans to that city for the idea of saving an american civil war a loser a statue general property of it was then that a self-styled nazi sympathizer murdered thirty two year old how their higher who was part of the counter protests now this weekend the organizers of that deadly charlottesville rally. will be holding their unite the right rally here in washington d.c. and what do you know it the police department. where they hide white supremacist wanted to give give them special trains and accommodations for the white supremacists taking part in a rally however in a statement to the press amalgamated transit union local six eight nine president jackie jeter said we draw the line at giving special accommodation to hate groups and hate speech the union has declared that it will not play a role in their special accommodation of course that didn't stop fortune magazine
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and others to proclaim that the d.c. d.c. transit union brief uses a very white nationalist to unite the right rally by the way guys that. that my friends is what's called a fake and the issue of flavor isn't squashing of anyone's right to free speech the issue is that the unite the right participants were going to be given special accommodations to and from their rally. when i think about it there were no special transfer the women's march there were no special transfer the march for life the march for science the national pride march the juggalos or even the trump supporting mother of all rallies didn't get their own trains and as with every legal protest the government cannot impede your ability to protest but they're under no obligation to give you your own special train to your protest but the union has every right to refuse to give them special service actually that's democracy in action where you are and do you see who would do so. now there are a lot of heat about this because we will see the thing that i'm in the wrong for
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supporting the union in the us but i think it's also because they think they said i refuse to serve you at all that know that you knew just that we would do something special was nobody else to get treated like everybody else you know what the party was like everybody knows that's going to happen you know if you're worried about you know some have you on the train line because you're carrying a confederate flag and white power sort of like that doesn't or a lot of well you know that's what he wanted you know what you know what african-americans have to walk around worrying they're going to get shot or the police are going to be called on them for breathing and yet white nationalists who literally are coming here to spread an ideology that is against everything that america stands for we're supposed to give them a special train sorry sorry sweet is doesn't work that way you have to just like everybody else that's what's really fascinating about this story is. really what's interesting too is that it's just the kind of attitude around it and everything like that going on is just really amazing because of. the we're talking
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a lot of free speech on the show today at the end of the day it's one of the most sacred aspects is one more segment that we have you know in our constitution and that's why it's important that we tackle each one of these is. if you can just leave blake if you can with blake and know where you are the food is really easy it's just as an excuse as an excuse to do certain things as we've talked about a lot it's supporting the right of free speech means supporting speech you don't like you just as you do like that also doesn't preclude you from the consequences that are true and one of the things that the united organizer from last year had told the washington post that it was about white that this whole thing was about white people are being denied the ability to organize and political organizations the way other groups too free of harassment to face the issues important to us first of all where of they've been stopped they have their they had a second larger having another one they're getting everything that people want to give them for special trains war protestors free of harassment protests is free of people who disagree with you well it's the whole the you know you have one side
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agrees the other side disagrees and that's called discourse in this country and that's where i go to the ideas of well you know it's just ridiculous i don't understand this at all it's just strange to me and science actually says i think what so what you really have to put into perspective about this tonight the right you know we're talking about the tiki torch and the people like i was just there to once they got caught being there they were like what's premises to except they're yelling jews will not overtake. the thing about that is that it doesn't actually help their cause a lot of the science into protests show those kinds of protests don't have to have a thing about it there was a study out last year at stanford and the university of toronto and they were looking at extreme protest matters rob miller a stanford sociologist and co-author of the study stated that the reason that extreme protesters were dissuasive is that less radical bystanders couldn't i die.


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